Nice changes.

But the problems with griefers in Lowsec stays, they will still force people to move to empire or quit pi and make the planets in Lowsec not worth fighting for, cause nobody will be there to get taxed.

Can't we just make them conquerable and not destroyable in Lowsec?

It's called "trading", and involves interacting with other players. Wormholes are not meant to be 100% self-sufficient, and nor should they be. Interdependence drives conflict.

Confirming that Fatal Ascension's #1 priority is maintaining control over nearby low-sec.

Yes any existing NPC customs offices that are on TQ when this update lands will remain until they are destroyed.

This is where you're wrong.

This is a buff to lowsec residency.

Plucking the freely available rich fruit of lowsec PI and running off to hisec with it is the problem. If you want lowsec PI now you better be ready to build it, own it, and defend it. You can't just come in and harvest it and then leave any longer.

Ask yourself how many of these "many people" actually live in lowsec with their corporations?

Ingvar Angst, one of the more vocal? No, he lives in a wormhole.

Another guy admitted his 3 mains live in 0.0, but he complained that his "other 5 alts" are in lowsec doing PI. He doesn't live there either. He just has alts there.

This change will give people LIVING in lowsec with their mains an extra reason to live there, and something to call their own.

The covert haulers must be bad at the game where you live then, or gate camps fully manned with fast decloakers and high scan res tackle if you actually salivate at their arrival. There's nearly 0 risk in jumping anything with a covert ops cloak into a gate camp in low sec.

Such ships passing through merely to stop at a PI office and back out again add to the jumps per hour statistic, but little else.

I'll grant you the economy is interconnected and it all comes back around, but covert ships passing through lowsec briefly add nothing directly to lowsec, and anything that affects them positively or negatively can't be seen as either a positive or negative impact on lowsec. They don't live there, and the 2 UI clicks they perform while vulnerable in lowsec can be performed while already aligning out to the next stargate.

"We will not just let low sec die".... Funniest thing I've heard from CCP in a long time. It's been an ex parrot nailed to the perch for years. CCP let low sec die a long time back and now your putting more nails in the perch and claiming the nails will bring it back to life.

Once its dead in low sec you can monitor it all you want but it won't come back and I expect your F-ing over the little guy will add to the slow decline of subscriptions.

I am finally near leaving this game after 8 years. You continue to make low sec worse and worse and I no longer believe anyone in CCP has a clue as to how to fix it. I'll see what happens to PI prices and if it makes supporting the POSs that allow us to build T2 then we'll pull the plug and find another game to spend our time on. I'm just tired of yet another thing being ruined in Eve.

You again cater to the big power blocks and stick it to the little corps, there is no cooperative supply and demand and happy rainbows of folks working together in low sec. There are mostly the worst of the worst gankers. They will be very happy to have the new targets. What they will do once the explode them all and drive everyone out is hard to say.

Omen, you make me sad with you clear lack of understanding of the nature of pilot interactions in Eve, Eve makes people EVIL, not cooperative business partners in space industry.

Issler

I wouldn't say it was your grammar, it's your vocabulary. You're using words without knowing what they mean, apparently.

Take for example your sarcastic comment about my arguments. You called it irony. They are not the same thing.

Actually you will be able to stock up in advance, or build your own, before the transition.

In your WH do you typically have hostile groups hanging in there for more than 24 hours? If not then putting up your own CO's doesn't sound all that risky, considering their reinforcement tiner and the fact that you can repair them.

And would kill almost all reasons to try to defend your own POCO

Does CCP want any player feedback or testing on the POCOs?

This is one of the very few expansion features without its own thread on the Test Server Feedback forum. They haven't even seeded the gantry structures on Sisi, so to test this feature on the test server, you have to jump through hoops and run FW missions on there. Even without an official thread, people are posting about it and the devs are not replying.

Omen dissapeared from the thread after just a couple hours (even faster than the last time). Is he even still reading? Will he post again? Or does he only communicate through devblogs?

I was looking forward to POCOs. But at this rate, it looks like the rollout will be a complete mess.

Wheres the common sense that Interbus is going to offline their COs only because some capsuleer thinks he has to anchor his own CO at a planet?
Why is it a problem anyway that COs can be killed and need to be defended if you dont want your PI infrastructure crippled?
Why dont you defend your assets?
Why dont you go to highsec if you dont want to? There are Concord COs everywhere and you will always be able to acces them. But if you want more yield from your extractors then you have to fight for it.

o/ John

Ingvar, you keep confusing your ideas with common sense. The simple fact that many people don't agree with you show they are not "common sense". They may be good or not, but in any case they require massive changes to the mechanic that CCP can't do in time for the expansion anyway.

I'm more worried about CCP not interacting with us about their current implementation. They don't provide us with testing tools (seeding the structures, giving us a central location for implementation feedback), nor acknowledge or clarify bug reports.

For example, tax rates on Sisi make no sense (P0 > P1). Are the devs even aware of this? Also, you can't attack a CO with drones, they just ignore your orders. Is this intended? If so, why are they penalizing gallente drone boats? (both have been bug reported).

We've seen CCP take this approach before. It never ends well. It ends with threadnaughts on release day over stuff that was known but ignored on Sisi.

New Interbus CO"s a BAD IDEA!


Look, the only thing you're doing is adding a 2 hour+ investment PER PLANET ON TOP OF an 80Million ISK cost to anyone who wants to ACTUALLY USE YOUR SYSTEM. If someone actually wants to setup a POCO Network now, you're just making it a PAIN in the ASS for them to do so! So what incentive are you giving people to USE it except more hassle?


I seriously think you need to make those Interbus POCO's have about 1/3 of the HP of their player made counterparts, so that there is more than a monetary incentive to put up your own POCO but also more importantly a tactical decision to not have an easily destroyed space object!


Also, PLEASE review the Defense Choice paradigm on the attack system so that there is an option to defend other than being force to go at your reinforcement timer.

So many tears in response to a nuanced, well-thought out game change that will make a boring world of dots and lines actually result in player driven conflict/content. For shame, babies, for shame: CCP did good on this one.

I am just laughing with some friends and enjoying watching you and your alts post about a feature you haven't tested and aren't even saying why you don't like it (this feature you haven't used).

Pro trollin' my friend pro trollin'.

Removed. Second post was made by mistake.

Ahh, here is right link:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice

Check "Taxation" under "Managing a Customs Office" for taxing details.

I come bearing news about tax rates from CCP Omen and Team Pi:

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The higher PI taxes are deliberate.

We have gotten a fair amount of petitions regarding high taxes for PI goods. We want to take a moment and assure you that it is deliberate and explain why.

The taxes that were introduced with the PI feature in Tyrannis did not change as the market value for PI goods went up significantly. This meant that until recently, PI industrialists have enjoyed profit margins of up about 99% without much risk.

With the Player Owned Customs Office feature we are changing how PI products come to the market and we are encouraging players to own and operate these offices. With the old tax levels it would be nearly unfeasible to operate a Customs Office and most of our goals with the feature were at risk of being missed.

By repairing the taxes to be... a) Based on market value and b) Player set, we now have a foundation for a much more interesting feature that we believe will create many opportunities in New Eden.

For more information please see the EVElopedia article for the Player Owned Customs Office: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice

Regards
CCP Omen on behalf of team Pi

An excellent and needed change. This is another step towards making low-sec and 0.0 more populated. I look forward to seeing what kind of action this brings

@ CCP Omen

I don't disagree that the old taxes were extremely small, and few people seemed to complain at double tax rates. This is probably proof that they were way too low.

But did you take into account how often goods are taxed? I wouldn't know the numbers myself, but I can imagine P4 goods get taxed quite a few times during their life cycle.

A 10-17% tax rate seems massive for something that might get double-dipped by taxes several times over.

*** Conspiracy snip ***

Peace all.

Out.

So basically Hi Sec will do fine after the market recovers, Lo Sec is screwed due to no way to defend pco properlly, Null sec will survive but with larger alliances able to support pcos screwing the smaller alliances.

How does this balance or improve anything?